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Psychic Follow-Up, and Gender Roles

Journal Entry: Wed Jan 25, 2012, 3:14 AM



Ramblings...



Thank you for everyones lovely messages and wishes for mine and Jenn's 4 years!

-------Psychic Follow-Up-------
Well, that was a varied set of results! I'll be honest and say they don't entirely surprise me, not due to the legitimacy/illegitimacy of psychics... but because of my audience here on deviantART.

Most of the people who follow me and vote in my polls are young adults and teenagers, who are all part of an art website, and so can be assumed to be creatively minded and imaginative. As such, predisposition towards the possibility of psychics seems reasonably likely. If I were to post the same discussion on a psychology forum, or a science forum, I imagine the results would have been very different.

I noticed a strong trend in "psychic-believers" that their belief tended to stem from a single experience with a psychic, in which they or someone they knew received a very accurate or shocking reading that they couldn't logically explain. My only comment on that, is to not base your entire belief or disbelief in a notion purely on one piece of evidence or experience. I've seen psychics perform stuff that I previously (and some to this day!) couldn't explain, but have seen much more evidence against them than towards them, and used this broader range of evidence to form the basis of my opinion. I did the same thing with religion, with my views on capital punishment, on drug legalisation, and many other things besides. It is dangerous grounds to base your opinion on an entire topic purely on one main positive or negative experience with the subject. I urge you all to bear this in mind, on all matters. :)

Still! It was a very interesting subject, so thank you to everyone who participated in the voting and discussion.


-------Gender Roles-------
Suggested by ~fluffy-mokona

There have been several clips and articles cropping up about gender roles as of late. A couple in Canada, I believe, have been publicised for raising their child as gender-neutrally as possible, so as to let their child decide their gender identity entirely without pressure or stigma. Childminders are being instructed to encourage play with dolls for boys as well as girls. Schools are challenging gender identity in preventing bullying of children who go against the gender normality for their sex.

A short time back, I was linked to this video of a lovely little girl called Riley, who gave her own thoughts on the subject:
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Of course, she is quite young, and obviously reflects the views of her parents/guardians moreso than makes an entirely independent point of her own accord. Still, she has been taught the value of gender identity, and the freedom we have in it, from a young age. These lessons are likely to carry on into her adult life which, to me, is a very refreshing thing.

My sister and I were very lucky to have quite a gender-neutral upbringing. This wasn't because my parents had any particularly strong views on gender identity (indeed, they still have struggles understanding transexualism and transgenderism, though this doesn't stop them going against their 'live and let live' life policy), but more because they just... didn't see why kids should be pigeon-holed in the activities they could take part in. My sister loved toy dinosaurs, I was a Scaletrix nut. We both had a large collection of barbies and MLP's, but neither of us liked baby dolls. Both of us were part of the Brownie Guides, and I was on the girls after-school football team. Neither of us liked pink, yet we both liked to wear blue (it was our football team colour, after all!). We were both videogamers from a young age, loved 'boys' cartoons like Biker Mice From Mars.

As a result, we've both grown up with a rather neutral view on gender. We both seem to like a variety of girls and boys stuff, aren't phased by those whose gender doesn't match their sex, and don't blink twice at overly masculine women, or effeminate men. We generally prefer jeans and t-shirts, but have a handful of dresses each, too.

SO! How about you?

How were you bought up? Were you treated in a way stereotypical to your sex? Or were you given a reasonably gender-neutral upbringing? How do you think this has affected you later in life? What are your general thoughts on the subject?

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:icondaredreemer:
*DareDreemer Nov 16, 2012  Student General Artist
Interesting I never really thought about how my parents raised me, as far as your topic goes. I was spoiled with a lot of girlie stuff, but after all I was the only girl on both sides of my family. Add to that I was an only child. My mom was of course always wanting me to be more girlie, but I was always slightly on the tomboyish side. I have always liked being a girl, but I never wanted to get up early and do all the girlie getup stuff before school. I wanted to be comfortable. I had a huge amount of Barbies as well. Baby dolls too, but I always pretended to be the Aunt, I never had a desire to be a mom. I wanted siblings. I also had a huge amount of Hot Wheels. I loved boy toys just as much as some girl toys. I think my mom wanted me to be more like the other girls, but she learned very quickly that was not going to happen. We still clash because she doesn't understand how I being a girl could love Star Wars.. etc. My dad I think likes the fact I act more like a boy. Over all I always did what I wanted. My parents learned from an early start I was highly independent and they were never going to make me into their ideals. They are from the 50's, I am from the 80's... nough said.. I am straight, I have gay friends, I have even questioned my own sexuality.... most recently. Being girlie or tomboysh didn't define my sexuality, who I am defines that. I love my parents, but no matter how they raised me, I was always going to be me. Passionate, creative, openminded and different. Try as they might they never had a typical kid. Acceptance was the only true thing lacking. I think more or less I was the one always teaching them... or at least trying to open their minds up to a larger world. So to actually answer your question... I was pushed more to the girlie stuff, but I was never denied what I really wanted, even when they didn't understand or accepet it. The affect it had on me was just wishing my Mom could accepet me for me. Instead of what she thinks I should be.
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~LilyFlare Oct 9, 2012  Professional Artisan Crafter
Hmm, when I think about my childhood, I can't really think of anything gender specific. My parents bought my brother, sister and I the toys we liked, whether that meant I wanted a Barbie or Pokemon. My sister and I had a mix of 'boy' and 'girl' toys, while my brother had all 'boy' toys. Not because they forced them on him, but 'cause he prefered Power Rangers over Barbies. I'm sure if he had asked for a Barbie, they probably would have bought him one. Somedays my clothes were really tomboyish, other days I wore dresses. It depended on what I felt like wearing each day. And really I'm still like that. I mean sex and gender weren't really talked about in my family. Everything I know about sex, I learned from school, friends and of course, the internet. What's funny though, is now that my siblings and I are all grown, my parents have no problem talking about sex with us. Probably 'cause my mom wants some grandkids already. XD So I guess my parents' form of raising us was kind of 'Don't ask. Don't tell.'
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:iconmaxiiw:
I was one of the only people to vote that I don't believe in psychics on your poll. And I'm a physics student. Go figure. Anyway, I was lucky enough to be brought up more or less the same way you did. As an only child I guess I had certain expected of me, but I didn't let that phase me. I had barbies, I danced, and boy, I LOVED to dress up as a princess, but I was all about obstacle courses, my toy farm yard animals (and dinosaurs, I mean, what farm do you know doesn't have dinos in them?), biking, my ps1, making spaceships, and my fleeces :) I grew up to be a bit different than my school friends. I liked gaming, "geeky" (aka amazing) films, and other things that I didn't really get to share with anyone until I left school. I'm now at University and couldn't be happier. The fact that my parents let me like what I wanted when I was younger may have helped me like what I want and not care about what other people thought when I grew up. I guess I have them to thank :)
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:iconcrazychick93:
I live in the middle of the United States. Kansas to be exact and no I do not own a pair of ruby red slippers (or silver if you've read the book). I grew up in a typical 50s/60s family setting aka "Leave it to Beaver" This is strange is because I'm 18 and grew up in the 90s. I think the reason for this was because my parents were both born in the mid-50s. Up until I was 6 or 7 years old I was forced to wear dresses, petticoats, mary-jane shoes, and my hair was always up in a bow/ribbon or whatever else my mom decided to dress up up in. I have to admit, there were times where I felt more like a doll than a little girl. The first day of my life I got to wear my hair down was when I was about 7 years old and my mom was to sick to do my hair one morning so my dad brushed it and sent me to school. And I also got to wear jeans and a plain shirt to school for a change. I remember feeling a sense of freedom and from that day on I refused to let my mom touch my hair. It didn't, however, just stop at clothes. At Christmas, while my brother was playing with his plastic tool set, legos, and hot wheels. I was forced to play my plastic kitchen, make-up, and dolls/Barbies (oh, so many...many Barbies). There's actually video of me at about 8 or 9 years old trying to play with my brothers legos while my relatives kept trying to entice me to play dress up with my girl cousins. I didn't want to play house. Was it too much to want to sit there and build a battle ax...was it? I was also forced to take ballet, gymnastics, and cheerleading. All in all, I was raised to be the epitome of what people think of as a "girl" and it sucked. Besides it didn't even work. I'm the least girly of all my friends. Now I'm not saying I don't care for some girly things, and I love my parents more than anything. I just wish I could've had more...freedom in the type of upbringing I had.
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:iconbeansproutte:
I mean my parents always encouraged me no matter what I wanted to do. I had dinosaurs and barbies and legos and watched Dragon Ball Z and Pokemon but I also really liked Power Puff Girls, Liberty Kids and the Barbie movies. On the other hand the rest of my family always tried to pigeon hole me, which makes me an even stronger believer when it comes to supporting your kids in what kind of clothes or toys they want, no matter if it's "Gender Appropriate" or not. My mom's family always expected me to wear dresses and often refused to make Christmas purchases for me based on whether or not they thought that a girl should have things like Bionicles or Star Wars action figures.
So I guess in a way I was raised both gender neutrally but also know it what it feels like to be placed into a box based on my sex.
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:iconkuroneko-no-kaosu:
Probably a little late, but- having adopted two 'girls' and two boys, my parents had a pretty strict idea of what to buy for each and how to treat each. In retrospect I was the 'girl' who preferred strapping Barbies to bottle rockets rather than actually playing with them but keeping the clothes. I was more interested in the fashion than the dolls.. My older sister loved her dolls and such, and my brothers their cars and army men. My parents didn't think to encourage gender neutrality because that's not how they were raised. That's Arkansas for you.

I found out in retrospect that my mother knew a transwoman where she lived in Colorado, but didn't go into detail about how she was treated or when it was. My dad is an equally hopeless cause on the subject of transgenderism- both of them refuse to understand because they couldn't comprehend it right away and so refused to try further. It's...really a hassle for me, actually. Even to this point they deny that I had an interest in more masculine things when I was younger, so that the version of me they see still fits into their ideals.

Because of this, and the fact that I was screamed at, insulted, and had things thrown at me when I came out, has pretty negatively affected my opinion of the 'family' of anyone outside the gender or sexuality norm. I don't talk to my parents much at all about myself anymore, or my siblings. I'm thankful to have a supportive boyfriend though (who is also trans but his parents are only seemingly accepting of him.)
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:iconmarissaxjanae:
I'm a little late on this one but really meant to reply.
I live in the southern part of the U.S. and think THAT makes all the difference. I am a girl and have always been very much a tomboy. People never had much of a problem with it when I was young. They thought I would grow out of it and went about their business. When I didn't grow out of it, they began to worry a bit. That is not the point though.
For girls, people tend to say, "She'll grow out of it." and go on their way. With boys around here, it is different. Fathers have some crazy fear that their sons will turn out gay if they show any signs of swaying from stereotypical "boy" stuff. For example, my cousins boy came to a family christmas wearing camo boots. He took them off and wore one of his girl cousin's rubber boots that had some pink on them. My cousin's husband seemed offended that his son wanted to wear the pink boots so bad. Like he was homosexual because he wanted to wear another kid's boots. (He probably only wanted to because they were a few sizes bigger.)
So I think that gender roles are more important to some people in certain situations. I'm all for letting a boy wear pink and a girl play with cars. That's the way I was raised. But some people around here take it too seriously, I think.
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~InsaneSanity813 Feb 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
My parents did their best to raise me and my little brother in as neutral a way as possible. They did not push any religion on us (and tried their hardest not to let our religious grandparents and families do so either) they never had any conditions on what we wanted to do unless it was stupid, raised me with perfect grammar (This was an interesting experiment that usually resulted in babysitters or waitresses getting creeped out by flawless sentences at age three) and never said no to buying a book for us.
When I figured out my freshman year that I'd had crushes on other girls all my life as well as guys, they were totally fine with that, (and for some reason neither did most of the family.) I was never forced into a dress, or skirts (and I still hate them) and my complete loathing of most things fashionable at the time was never questioned. My mother knew from the start that I'd hate her if she sent me to girl-scouts, but seemed delighted when I took up gymnastics and dance, soccer (though I eventually hated it) and some baseball.
And though all this sounds pretty off-topic and I apologize, this is my answer to the question:
I have no quarrels with anything gender related in the slightest. I was not raised to be a girl, or a boy. I was raised to be whatever I wanted to be.
And that's myself.~~
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:iconkaitou-hikarii:
My gender upbringing sounds pretty similar to yours, but I didn't wear skirts/dresses at all, and instead of playing football I did Gymnastics. I've never really understood how someone can have a specific gender in their head rather than just liking what they like. To be honest I don't understand what gender actually is.
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:iconnirika-stitches:
I was raised pretty gender-neutral by my parents. My grandma was the one who pushed barbies on us all the time. most of my toys were dinosurs and power rangers. :)
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